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Subject: Re: ALL SLIP USERS AND WINSOCK DEVELOPERS SHOULD READ THIS!!!

In article [e-mail] (Patrick Lee) writes:
>[e-mail] (Dr. Michael J. Rensing) writes:
>>
>> I have the same problems with the Trumpet newsreader as with Eudora; it does
>> not wait for the login process to complete before attempting to execute
>> network commands.
>
>But that's really not a problem of the client application but of the Winsock
>implementation. Dynamic loading of Winsock works very nicely when you are
>connecting over Ethernet or other networks which does not involve dialing the
>phone. The Winsock stack really has to delay any network calls until the
>dialing and log in have completed.
If that's the case, why do apps like WS-Ping, WS-Finger, and WS-Gopher all
wait for a dial-in connection to be established first?

I found this in one of the docs for WS-Finger:

"... now checks for the  WSAEWOULDBLOCK error that connect() usually
returns.  This isn't actually an error, but merely indicates that the
connection request is still pending completion."

Interesting, don't you think?  This note, combined with the correct behavior
of some apps, makes me believe that the problem is with Eudora and other apps
not using exactly the right test to determine if the connection is ready.
I'd like to hear from Peter Tattam, or one of the authors of Eudora on this...

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Subject: Re: Does any body here use WSIRC...?

In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] ("|\\/|ike at B12") says:
>
>The reason is that i have downloaded this and it will not load asking for
>BWCCENG.DLL. This was not supplied with the ZIP that i have and i have
>been unable to ARCHIE a file that is larger than my 414,254 bytes, so
>i assume this DLL was not supplied along with the many others in the ZIP.
>Is this correct.?
>Can anyone send me a BWCCENG,DLL.?

WSIRC does not use such a file. It comes with and uses BWCC.DLL. Make sure that
you are using wsirc12b. You can get it in the ../win3/uploads directory on CICA
or any CICA mirror (i.e. nic.switch.ch or polecat.law.indiana.edu).

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A. Ross Keele                                             [e-mail]
Dept. of Psychology                                               [phone]
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Subject: Re: WinVN won't post articles

In article <2s5q3i$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] says:
>
>When I attempt to post an article using WinVN, it fails every time and pops up an error
>window containing "480  Authentication Required for Command".  Is this caused by an
>invalid entry in my WinVN.ini file?  I have double checked the addresses for the gateway
>etc. and they are all correct.  Can someone point me in the right direction?  Thanks.

Some NNTP servers require user authentication to be able to post (or complete
other commands). If you server requires this, you need to complete the user
name and password sections under Config/Configure Comm....

Or, if you filled this in accidently and there is no required authentication,
WinVN may be feeding this info to the server and getting back an error condition.

These are just thoughts. You might want to look into them if you haven't already.

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A. Ross Keele                                             [e-mail]
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Subject: Looking for IRC

 Hiya, I recently d/l'ed wsirc & off'ed my orriginal IRC client wich
I liked better... since then its like the orriginal IRC client I had was
wiped from every ftp sit in existance... I realy dont like ws irc cuz you cant
change the fonts nor can you scale the manager window. Its either
maximized or iconified. Can somone point me in the rite dirrection or
encode the orriginal & mail it to me?

                      [e-mail]  <*=- pop server 8)
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From: [e-mail] (Pedro Pimentel)
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Subject: Help: Need mwinsock.dll FAST!

I'm looking for mwinsock.dll.

I need it for a SQL*Net connection with a Oracle server.

I tried Veronica but it didn't find it.

Please help me, VERY urgent!!

Pedro Pimentel.
[e-mail]

PS: please use email.

Thanks.
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Subject: Re: Which is better - PSI, NETCOM, OR DELPHI OR ...?

In article <2s99i6$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (RykerX) says:
>
>Please leave your opion here.
>

Phttttttt on all of them... Delphi especially. AOL too. Better to
find a local friendly that'll offer you your own domain for
free or a few bucks a month if you know anything about computers.

If you are not a net.hack, then they are fine. Personally, I'd
prefer a local Freenet. They're popping up all over the place.

Anyone else wanna counter what I say?



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Maxwell Smart: "Everything after, 'Now listen carefully...'"
       -- Ed Platt and Don Adams, "Get Smart" (1965-1970)
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Subject: Re: Help!  Bootp problem with winsock

In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] writes:
>From: [e-mail]
>Subject: Help!  Bootp problem with winsock
>Date: 27 May 94 00:55:57 -0500

>Hi,

>        I wonder if anyone can help me on this problem trying to use
>Winsock 1.0 Revision A.  with SLIP.  I am to figure out if I am
>doing something wrong or if it is something else...
>The problem arise when I am tryin to use bootp...

>Here's what works:

>1.  If I use UMSLIP or GOSLIP, then I have to use "bootp" for the
>    ip address.

>2.  If I use winsock (aka tcpman)'s DIALER, then I have to use
>    "BOOTP" in all caps or "0.0.0.0" for me to get it to work.

>        I have no problem with the login script etc etc.
>        What's puzzling is that when I use bootp (small caps)
>        as mentioned in the install.txt it just comes up and
>        says "unable to load TCP"

>Why is this so?  Has anyone experienced this sort of thing?

      I think the proper way to get the Trumpet Winsock to use bootp in a
scripted dial-in is to use a "BOOTP" command in the script just *before* you
have it start slip.  The "BOOTP" command in the script will then initiate a
bootp *after* a slip connection is established.  You also must have your
I.P. address set to 0.0.0.0 (perhaps BOOTP would work too, I don't know).
There is information about the use and syntax of the BOOTP script command in
the documentation file for Trumpet Winsock.
      The way to start bootp in a *manual* dialing situation (no script) is
to place the string "bootp" (lower case letters) in the I.P. address entry
box of the setup screen.  In this way Trumpet Winsock will initiate a bootp
after you hit escape to leave the "dialing" mode and enter the "slip"
mode.
      This brings up a problem that I was having with the University of
Minnesota's SLIP server....  I was able to get Trumpet Winsock to establish
a SLIP connection (at least I think so), but was having trouble with the
bootp part of it.  I would get a message indicating that Trumpet Winsock
was attempting bootp, but would not get a "succesful" reply until I'd
escaped to "dial" mode and back a number of times......  I haven't tracked
anything consistent yet....  Anybody else had this sort of problem?

- Pete
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Subject: Re: WinQvt/Net 3.97 and MS TCP/IP Daytona, fix?

In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Kjell Schroeder) writes:
> A week ago I posted an article about WinQvt/Net's ftp-server wchich hangs
> after one login from a client when using MS TCP/IP Daytona.
>
> Microsoft has now let me know that this is a known bug and that they are
> working on a fix.
>
> Kjell S

I also spoke to Tom Bedjeric (sp?) of QPC. He said that he has heard about
the problem, and that it does not appear to be present on version 3.98 of
QVTNet. He is using the same version (April beta) of the Microsoft TCP/IP
stack as we are. __Before_you_ask__, version 3.98 will be out within the next
couple of weeks, and is expected to contain a number of new features (we will
find out when it comes out, I guess). It may also be the last 16 bit version
(apparently there are lots of problems caused by the limitations of a 16 bit
environment).

Looks like we will see a solution shortly in either case.

Walt

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Subject: Re: I Need a good newsreader

In article <[e-mail]>, Patrick Lee wrote:
: In File -> Setup -> Signature file name ... just put in the file name of your
: signature file. Works for me.
:

Would work for me too if I had looked at the setup dialogue screen
more carefully :-)

: [e-mail] (Laurence Chiu) writes:
: >
: > It's okay. But I haven't figured out how to put a .sig in my reply
: > yet. Acually since my SLIP account also has a free shell account, I
: > use that to download my news using uqwk and read offline with YARN.
: > Much better than reading online.
:

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Subject: Re: help with packet driver

In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (tewald) writes:

>I'm logging onto the Net via modem, phone line, and my alma mater's UNIX
>critter.  I don't use a network card of any type.  When I try to load
>any WinSock stuff, it wants a packet driver loaded first.  I dl'd a file
>of packet drivers, but don't know which to use, or how to set up any
>required parameters.

You should be looking for a SLIP packet driver.
Which winsock are you using? (trumpet has built-in slip)
Otherwise you can find the Crynwr driver slip850.com in the archive
 oak.oakland.edu:/pub/msdos/pktdrvr/pktd11.zip

Of course this a assumes that you have access to a SLIP dial-in service.


 Brian McCashin                            Internet: [e-mail]
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Subject: Re: ALL SLIP USERS AND WINSOCK DEVELOPERS SHOULD READ THIS!!!

In article <[e-mail]>, Traci Collins wrote:
: In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Nigel Arnold) writes:
: >Whats the big problem.
:
: >I usually get between 300-400 news articles a day and it only takes about 4-5
: >mins to download them.. I call my VERY local POP in Leeds.
:
: >Just wait for the 28.8K modems to be put in place.. Yum Yum
:
[snip]
: The inability to quickly grab all the news you need, disconnect, read and
: reply to that news offline, reconnect and transmit is inexcusable. Especially
: since uucp connections permit you to do that and they have been around
: forever. To go to extra trouble to obtain a high performance SLIP or PPP
: connection and then take a step backwards in terms of functionality and
: useability is quite frustrating.
:
: The problem isn't the speed of the connecting modems, the problem is the
: requirement that the articles be read and replied to online. If you are
: downloading yours I would be extremely eager to know what winsock compatible
: news program you are using because I want it too.

WEll I don't know if this would apply to you but my SLIP provider
also throws in a shell account. SO I use that to gather all the news
I want to read and download to read offline. My daily news packets
are usually about 1.2MB (compressed). I use uqwk on the Unix box to
gather the news into SOUP format and read offline using YARN.
Since SLIP is charged by the hour, this is a cost saving for me.

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Subject: Re: Mosaic and Pathway?

Upgrade to Pathway Access 3.0 or downgrade Mosaic to version 1.0.

[e-mail] (Mathias Koerber) writes:
>
> Mosaic complains that our Pathway (2.9?) Winsock DLL is not
> WInsock 1.1 compliant. Is there a solution so that we can
> run Mosaic or Cello?

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Subject: Re: WfWG Vx Drivers

In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Greg Segallis) says:
>
>For several reasons (including maximizing RAM) I need to load several TSR's and device
>drivers (such as mouse.sys and ansi.sys) in a particular order.  Specifically, I
>want to load my mouse.sys driver (was in my config.sys) after I load smartdrv.exe
>(was in my autoexec.bat).  This will maximize the use of upper memory and leave
>the most lower RAM.  So I tried something - I put my mouse.sys in my \windows\
>systyem.ini file in the 'transport=netbeui,(etc)' line.  So now smartdrive loads first,
>then the 'net start' command loads mouse.sys.  Everything 'seems' to work.
>
>My question is this, is there any danger in using the 'transport' line as a device
>driver loader for drivers that are unrelated to network operations?  Are there any
>other tricks that can be played with WfWG similar to this (like unloading drivers)?

Hmmm....apparently you are only supposed to load real-mode NDIS 2.0 drivers
from the transport= line. Even if you don't load MOUSE.xxx, Windows will load
mouse drivers for you. If you want to load a mouse driver for use in DOS, why
not load MOUSE.COM in AUTOEXEC.BAT after SMARTDRV.EXE ?

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Subject: SLIP & TCPMan

Hello World,

I am having quite a problem getting my SLIP connection to work.  If anyone
could shead some light on it I would appreciate it.

When I start TCPMan, I get a message that says:"enablecommnotification
failed", without the quotes.  I can then log on to the computer, but none of
my windows internet programs work. (WSping, Endura, etc).  I am doing a manual
login.

I was told to run TCPMan, login, then minimize TCPMan and run IP software.  Do
I have things mixed up?

This is very frustrating!!!

Thanks for any help.